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JOHN FIORE's avatar

Shit is definitely going to hit the fan and it won't be pretty.

Richard Bicker's avatar

If only. Paper gonna get pushed, and that's about it.

Bear's avatar

No, the National Guard will just be totally disarmed, and the mob of democrat foot soldiers will then come screaming in a kill and maim more of them.

It's how democrats and GOPRINOs operate.

Andy's avatar

Please enlighten me on WTF a democrat had anything to do with the chain of events here.

Dale Flowers's avatar

I won't speak for Bear, but my take on it is that "democrats and GOPRINOs" are enablists.

Bear's avatar

democrats are waging another pre civil war agenda, like they did in the leading up to Fort Sumpter event prior to them getting their slaves taken away from them. I will admit, I cannot say on line how I really feel about rebel slaver, traitor democrats.

I look forward to Gettysburg 2.0 though.

Patrick Laidlaw's avatar

Spot on. This loss should never have happened.

Aurelian1960's avatar

Should have never been killed

Should have an immigration policy

Should not have people that hate us funneling money to terrorist groups

Should not have a group that hates us take over a city (Dearborn)

On and on....

Jack Sotallaro's avatar

When O-6 politicians violate their oath for political gain, hanging is too good for them. The rest of the Seditious 6 should rot in hell, but Kelly should hang.

Jetcal1's avatar

He'll walk, the little Congressional wannabes in the JAG Corps are as corrupt as the politicians they aspire to become.

sid's avatar

Space Dwarf will make it about guns and use his wife as the example.

Thats how he launched his political career.

Thomas's avatar

"He'll walk" because there's no legal path to do anything against him.

Sorry, just the First Amendment and Speech and Debate clause. It's called "the Constitution."

Please don't come back at me with that §2387 bullshit: it's never been used because it's unconstitutional. Even during the Vietnam War when troops were urged to desert and being called baby killers.

Jetcal1's avatar

Can you show me §2387 in the USMJ?

David Grieve's avatar

From GROK:18 U.S.C. § 2387 - Activities Affecting Armed Forces Generally(a) Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United States:(1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States; or(2) distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States—Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.(b) For the purposes of this section, the term “military or naval forces of the United States” includes the Army of the United States, the Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, Navy Reserve, Marine Corps Reserve, and Coast Guard Reserve of the United States; and, when any merchant vessel is commissioned in the Navy or is in the service of the Army or the Navy, includes the master, officers, and crew of such vessel.(c) If two or more persons conspire to violate this section, each shall be liable to a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than five years, or both, and each shall also be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.Note: This is a civilian federal statute under Title 18 of the U.S. Code. If you meant a provision in the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) or Manual for Courts-Martial (MCM), which govern military justice, please clarify—there is no §2387 in those documents. The UCMJ articles are numbered differently (e.g., Article 134).

Jetcal1's avatar

The UCMJ is more appropriate for O-6 Kelly.

Thomas's avatar

There are no articles of the UCMJ applicable

Thomas F Davis's avatar

Conjuring Dr. Seuss there I see.

Jetcal1's avatar

And of course there's always the General Article. You know, that prejudice of good order and discipline thingy.

Josh's avatar

Seuss? That's Kipling!

Pete's avatar

You are not allowed to yell fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire which is exactly what space dwarf did.

Andy's avatar

Way to stay on topic.

Pete's avatar

Send him into space without a helmet like in 2001.

Steel City's avatar

The executive branch and congressional leaders need to take a field trip to Poland and then come back and implement their immigration policy.

Ron Snyder's avatar

The congressional leaders need to take a trip to Poland and not return. Let's elect stronger leaders who will take action against our enemies- including the Democrat Party.

OrwellWasRight's avatar

Poland seems to be recovering from their time behind the curtain. Send the corruptocrats to Ukraine instead.

Ron Snyder's avatar

Agree with sending the politicos to the Ukes.

Poland is wisely investing in a strong military. "Poland has a strong and rapidly growing military, currently ranking as the third-largest in NATO after the United States and Turkey."

"There are serious concerns in the current political scene: Poland's political situation is marked by a deep ideological and institutional divide between the pro-EU centrist government of Prime Minister Donald Tusk and the conservative, nationalist Law and Justice (PiS) party. [OTHO, that has recently been true of America, so who knows? Poland deeply appreciates the threat posed by a resurgent Russia.]

The government is working to reverse judicial reforms made by PiS, while President Karol Nawrocki, supported by PiS, uses his veto power to block the government's agenda, creating a political "cohabitation" that is likely to cause tension and may lead to further confrontations over judicial and constitutional matters."

https://www.gmfus.org/news/polands-new-political-chapter

Aviation Sceptic's avatar

Human behavior 101. You get more of what you reward, less of what you punish. The "CAPT" feels it is in his interest to act as he did. My considering his actions a violation of his oath, is his (possible) "reward" with his electorate regarding "fighting" the Orange Man and a positive for future political aspirations. Without some sort of negative consequence, expect more of the same. Sucks, don't it?

Jetcal1's avatar

Whatever further revelations come from this matter not. As a country we are to fractious and contentious too work together to find an answer to fix it. Fairwinds and following seas to Specialist Beckstrom fair winds and hope her family survives her death on Thanksgiving Day.

Jerome Busch's avatar

So true. The Chinese are smiling. Internal paralysis and political fratricide , induced or otherwise, achieve their objectives. Today's responses mirror that success.

Jetcal1 said it best. Fairwinds and following seas to Specialist Beckstrom and strength for her family to survive her death on Thanksgiving Day.

Jetcal1's avatar

“This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens,” Without identifying any specific examples.

They must be Chinese.

Jerome Busch's avatar

Isn't the term here called, "useful idiots". I first ran across it in my teens as used by the John Birch Society where i grew up behind the Orange Curtain.

Jetcal1's avatar

I can't believe you'd call the cream of the Democratic Congressional Delegation including highly decorated combat veterans and former CIA employees useful idiots.

We can't all be Chinese operatives as you suggest. It would really have to be someone corrupt, like a JAG or something.

Jerome Busch's avatar

Definitely a JAG, we were as corrupt as they come. But after active duty I switched to the Reserves to Naval Intelligence and became an oxymoron instead. But as luck would have it one of my daughters became a Chinese linguist as a Navy Cryptologic Technician Interpretive (CTI). I tend to copy her views even though she still makes fun of me as an "O".

Jetcal1's avatar

That wasn't a specific dig at you per se.

Dale Flowers's avatar

I was surface weenie stationed at a big Cryppie training base for 3 years. Ran CTM"A" School for a while, saw/met 1000+ CT's. Only ever saw 3 CTI's. One was the Master Chief of the Command, one was the son of a good friend, a Navy PA/HMCM, I have known since he was 4, and had a shipmate, a former Army grunt who joined the Navy to become a Chinese and Russian linguist, who then went on to OCS to become an 1110. That makes 3 CTI's total. Of all the CT's I met, 2 of those CTI's were the most normal (in a good way) and likeable CT's I ever met. My best regards to your daughter.

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I got interviewed in bootcamp by a Master Chief CTI because of my FLAT scores. He wanted me to be a CTI. The last thing he said in the interview was, "You're a high school graduate, right?". When I said I dropped out just 6 weeks before to join the Navy he got up and left.

Josh's avatar

"I can't believe you'd call the cream of the Democratic Congressional Delegation including highly decorated combat veterans and former CIA employees useful idiots."

You're absolutely right. They're really not THAT useful.

sid's avatar
Nov 29Edited

Since you are convinced I am a Chinese bot, I was going to offer you a Black Friday 50% discount for my Mandarin language course, but I see your daughter has that quite well covered....

Anyway, here is the course name:

宁可做家仆, 也不去种田

OrwellWasRight's avatar

Smiling, as well as possibly paying for it in part

Aviation Sceptic's avatar

We already have the UK artificial demographic rework model before us as an object lesson of what could come next. The 2A is a bit of a safety net, BUT "diversity is our strength" is a political party bromide that applies only to one party, and not the nation. Diversity of thought works if all parties work towards a common goal. Isolated enclaves with no assimilation (like Dearborn) bring us one step closer to pre-Gulf War ll Iraq (Sunni Shia split) or the old Yugoslavia. Authoritarian rule is the only thing that held them together. The social faultlines became chasms when authoritarian rule collapsed. The U.S. and UK are staring at those type of fault lines becoming very clear. The deliberate actions of certain parties and individuals to widen those faultlines for personal gain are visible to see for any who bother to look.

Charles Wemyss, Jr.'s avatar

Like the husband who has played golf every weekend for 25 years of his 25 year marriage “they never see it coming.” The wife walks in the kitchen as he arrives homes 5 beers down and says, “I am leaving, have a new guy, he is younger, more fun and pays attention to me, kids are grown and I am out..” It is coming, in a nation where guns and ammo out number the population you can only push so far. 535 dullards sit and wringtheir hands…”whatever shall we doooo???” As mentioned already here, shit is about to get real and the seditious six have no idea how it is going to end. People forget the Russian revolution started when a signal was fired from the Russian cruiser Aurora in the harbor of St Petersburg…Only in Senator Captain Astronaut it probably ain’t gonna turn out the way he thinks…We lost a warrior yesterday, one clinging to life today, THEY were following legal orders….No doubt Captain Kelly fraud of the earths orbit, will try to make hay on this event. He ought to mind his manners and S1 and S2.

Tom's avatar

Here's how the refugee vetting process should have gone:

Once we got everyone out of Afghanistan who helped us and wanted to leave (we owed them that), we should have sat everyone down and had them tell us who they worked with.

Then we should have gone to the people who worked with them and asked, "hey, this guy. What vibe did you get? Did he want to get Afghanistan out of the 9th century and towards the 21st, was he in it for the money, or was he looking to use us to score settle?"

If the general consensus on somebody was the first one? Come on in, let's swap recipes, we'll even settle you near the Rockies so you feel at home and give you a crash course in American customs and mores to avoid any...unfortunate misunderstandings. The latter two? Hey mac, we got a ninety-nine year lease on some land in Africa or up in Central Asia, here's some housing and the necessary tools and supplies, have fun.

Boat Guy's avatar

Here's how we fix it: anybody in the shooters status - "vetted" to fight IN AFGHANISTAN - gets free airlift BACK there. NOW.

Tom's avatar

So...in return for one man's betrayal, we betray thousands of others.

Yeah, that's never going to come back to bite us, ever.

Boat Guy's avatar

Potentially. There are about 5-6000 that we have derogatory information on who are IN this country. There's a start.

I'm not talking about those who were actually vetted; I know some of the guys who worked with our OF; those are not in the same category as this shooter.

Tom's avatar

Okay, that's closer to my idea than what I thought you were proposing.

OrwellWasRight's avatar

Concur; I think he meant vetted "to fight in Afghanistan" is not the same as vetted "to live amongst us" and if only the former applies, they should be sent home

Tom's avatar

Ehh. I still think finding them a place that isn't here but also isn't Afghanistan is proper, both for moral and practical reasons--it's a lot easier to get help if people don't think you'll throw them to the wolves.

sid's avatar

Heartfelt condolences to her family.

She stepped up to the plate, but was let down in so many ways by her country.

We should all feel ashamed.

Richard Bicker's avatar

Ashamed? I had NOTHING to do with the policy, the politicians, or the actions of feckless bureaucrats and craven military dunces. I accept NO blame or guilt for the actions of others over whom I have NO influence.

I was a "bounce the rubble" exterminationist from the get-go in Afghanistan (Peace Corps family member wised us up to that place back in the 1960s, and ancient history books confirmed it). I was a "take-the-oil until we get our money back" imperialist in the Iraq adventure. As far as the Israel-Hamas contretemps, I saw Guyana, boats, and square miles of fresh concrete as the solution. Alas, others saw things differently. Nothing to do with me.

Podein's avatar

just now

Guyana, boats and square miles of fresh concrete? What does that mean? I assume Guyana is Jonestown, but I don’t get the rest.

Richard Bicker's avatar

Guyana as a somewhat whimsical and universal "destination" for the despised (once considered for Jews instead of Palestine/Israel). Boats to offload the multitudes in an unforgettable exodus (think Mayflower/Ellis Island). Concrete on which to build the a new shining Trumpian Paris of the Middle East (the original is getting a bit grungy due to, um, migrants).

Rick Mikesell's avatar

Ashamed, not hardly. Heart-sick and mad, absolutely. If I was 50 years younger, I’d be seeing a recruiter. Since that’s not an option, I’m cleaning one of my weapons today. Rest in Peace Specialist, You’ve done your Duty

Dale Flowers's avatar

If I was 60 years younger, I'd be seeing a recruiter too, Rick. If I feel any shame, it's because I know I could have done something more than just vote, send CARE packages and letters to the troops and pray for them. Wish I had a magic wand or flyswatter.

Sluggo's avatar

How can you like this post, Sal?! “…all feel ashamed”, my ass.

For sure, some should “feel ashamed.” If the author of this thread voted Democrat, for damn sure HE should “feel ashamed.” Those of us who are wise enough to not support today’s disgusting anti-Founding, depraved, Marxist Democrat Party should be mad as hell; sick and tired and fed up with the leftist bullshit that is wrecking - intentionally - this nation.

I’ve said it before; I’ll say it again: the enemies of the USA could not have a better ally than the US Democrat Party.

Tom Yardley's avatar

Your anti-Americanism is disgusting. Long ago, in my High School "Communism versus Democracy" class we were taught how the two-party system is the bulwark against totalitarian rule. That is why the fascists are name calling the Democrats "Marxists."

"Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally. . . . The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty." Geo. Washington, 1796.

Sluggo's avatar

When it comes to “anti-Americanism”, the current Democrat Party wrote the book on that. Embodies it.

You use the words, but you don’t know what they mean. So sad.

Tom Yardley's avatar

The Democratic party is far more popular that the remnants of the Republican party, so you better get used to us because we are taking over.

The good news is most of us are pretty darn conservative, conservative in the Edmund Burke tradition. After all, it was Burke who pointed out that a strong two-party system is a check on unrestricted ruling power. The power that the Trumpanistas are so anxious to abuse.

Captain Mongo's avatar

This is infuriating, but a predictable outcome of the cowardly bug out from Afghanistan. Not sure why this isn't clear to all, unicorn farts about multicultural ism notwithstanding.

Tom's avatar

Part of the problem is that a lot of the people pushing "multiculturalism" don't know what culture actually is.

They think it means things like food, dress, and the like, and rightfully don't see what the issue is with people who eat different foods and wear different clothes living together.

What they don't get is that these things are the trappings of culture, not culture itself. Culture is how you think about how life is to be lived, from the place of women to the acceptability of violence, and people having extremely different views on *that* sort of thing living together *will* lead to conflict and friction.

Jetcal1's avatar

Tom, I grew up in a multi-ethnic, multi-racial, multi-religion, multicultural neighborhood in Chicago. We all shared the same basic civilizational foundation, so it worked.

Tom's avatar

Yep. There can be a lot of identity diversity, as long as everyone has some kind of shared assumptions about how the world works.

Captain Mongo's avatar

One of my grandfathers was a Muslim.We are a very melting pot family.

Pete's avatar

Europeans vs afghans

Richard's avatar

Diversity + proximity=conflict.

Tom's avatar

Congratulations, you have just described what it is like to live with other human beings.

James Lockhart's avatar

This is infuriating, but a predictable outcome of the decisions after 9/11 that in order to fight militant Islam we must import millions of people from the nations whose culture is antithetical to that of the USA and whose hate for the West has been cultivated since the battle of Tours in 732 and the following 700 year effort to reclaim Spain from Islam.

When will the modern West awaken and begin it's own fight against the supremacist, authoritarian, ideology that masquerades as a religion, but rules by terror once it gains control.

Tom Yardley's avatar

Evangelical Protestants have the right to practice their religion. It is in the constitution.

Unclebeasty's avatar

Perfectly said.

Ahmed’s Stack of Subs's avatar

rich higgins (rip) and stephen coughlin called it over a decade ago. not at all councidental that coughlin was run out for calling muslim brotherhood an internal threat. https://unconstrainedanalytics.org/

here we are.

The Gaffer's avatar

And now a number of them - our so called 'elite'- are trolling the least educated, or most resentment filled, members of our armed services to violate their oath because they think they'll be social media heroes.

From Wiki - "Stochastic terrorism is an analytic description used in scholarship and counterterrorism to describe a mass-mediated process in which hostile public rhetoric, repeated and amplified across communication platforms, elevates the statistical risk of ideologically motivated violence by unknown individuals, even without direct coordination or explicit orders."

CAPT (for now) Kelly and that color revolution at home coterie are a national disgrace.

Rikki's avatar

Democrats are blaming Trump by saying the National Guard shouldn't even have been there.

They don't understand that the 'immigrant' Afghan killer shouldn't have been there.

Pete's avatar
Nov 29Edited

Democrats can’t even say the words “illegal alien.” They use bland terms like “undocumented.”

Tom Yardley's avatar

1. In a free country, the Army does not conduct law enforcement. 2. It was Trump who let the murderer in the US.

Urey Patrick's avatar

Yes. This.