Well, there it is. Over at Politico we have an open letter calling for a limited no-fly zone.
This letter is signed by people who should know better. I would put the substance somewhere in the wtf grid bounded by "irresponsible" & "insulting."
Too many people have misremembered both recent and longer-term history. We are talking about Russia here. Not Serbia. Not Libya. Not Iraq.
Let us be clear on this point; a No Fly Zone (NFZ) requires you shoot down aircraft over a specified area. Over Ukraine, what this letter calls for is for us to shoot down Russian aircraft. It says “NATO” but as anyone who served in Afghanistan knows, this will mean the USA, and possibly the United Kingdom with an assist from Denmark and Poland, maybe.
That is asking for war. You don’t want a wider European war. No sane person does.
These people do, but they are not being honest about it.
If you want a war, ask for it. Assuming that everyone will either be silent or stupid, instead the authors decided to be too clever by half to the rubes while winking at their peers who know exactly what they are doing. Not unlike the build up to the Iraq invasion of 2003, I’m not sure that they believe their own distortions, or simply that they are not as good as they tell everyone they are. I’m beginning to think both.
Someone in this group must know where a NFZ would lead. Once everything blows up – which it may NFZ or not – a note from this crowd of, "Oh, no, we never expected this escalation..." won't wash at the moment & damn sure won't wash on the 1st through last draft of history.
I’m sorry, I don’t trust them. After you read the letter, if you still do, I can’t help you.
This is such a grabasstic horror show, we’re going to fisk it.
Let’s go:
Where exactly do they think any missiles enforcing a NFZ will go, to intercept the Tanzanian Air Force? The Russians are not fools, but this paragraph is written for fools. Ukraine is only slightly smaller than Texas. Jet fighters and their missiles move faster than the speed of sound. There is no way to limit a FLZ to “corridors.” This effectively will cover the entire landmass.
Yes, that is what happens in wars of aggression. If NATO implements the NFZ all the decision makers need to accept that all the horrors in that last sentence will expand exponentially. Be clear about that. None of the people who signed this letter will have to put their lives on the line for it … but a lot of other will.
This is simply untrue. We are, by assisting UKR, prolonging the fight (which I support, Slava Ukraini, etc) and thus more casualties and bloodbaths will result … as it the nature of war … as is the constant in the human condition.
A NFZ implemented by a 3rd party after hostilities have already begun between Ukraine and Russia is an intentional act to join in a war with Russia. There is no other way this can be understood. It is plain on its face.
Additionally, this is the first time I have heard of the A-10 option mentioned by “serious” people. Being that UKR has no one qualified to fly A-10, much less maintain squadrons of them, this is one of two things; either an invitation for an American Volunteer Group (AVG) of the Ukraine Air Force, or simply people not knowing their business. There are retired USAF General Officers on this list. They know this.
Yes, this is the war you and your institutes and think tanks failed to prevent, prepare for, or predict. Why should we think you have a solution now? Seriously, what is your track record?
That will operationalize in to the USA and NATO becoming active participants in their war. As we would were the tables turned, that would invite – really almost require – Russia to expand this in to a pan-European war. No, scratch that, as that would bring in the North American two-ocean nations of Canada and the United States … a world war.
No. Non-concur.
I don’t know what the signatories think they are doing, but I know what they are doing.
We see you. We know what you are doing.
Final note – irrespective of the substance - what the hell is wrong with all these open letters by these Very Important Experts™ that we keep seeing what are all jacked up WRT formatting?
You would think with all these duty drivers and good parking spaces, one of them would be on good terms with a former Flag Secretary – or one of their kids or grandkids.
Please Buddha, save us from our elites.
Aircraft to Poland for Ukraine is equally ill-advised.
We should be hitting the Russians on the ground (and would be as needed with a NFZ). This is Russia's war. Putin demanded it. Apparently without his military knowing about it. He's not going to stop just because we don't oppose him today. He may look weak now, but let him win in Ukraine and see what happens. If nukes deter us now, what's different about the next country he invades? NATO? He's still got the nukes FFS. I call our current state "nuclear paralysis." Time to snap our of it. And BTW the time is right to smack Xi Dada with sweeping sanctions for his full-throated support of Putin's crimes (and for his own massive crimes).