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Pete's avatar

JFK’s greatest blunder was not overthrowing Castro when he had the chance in 1961.

Hopefully, Donald Trump will learn from that mistake and overthrow the regime in Iran.

Ron Snyder's avatar

Pete, JFK tried. He was poorly served by his advisors, the Intelligence Community, the CIA, and the military in that effort. The Bay of Pigs Invasion took place on April 17, 1961. A few of us are old enough to remember that event in real time.

Pete's avatar

He withheld crucial support at the Bag of Pigs. His decision ultimately. Stolen elections have bad consequences be it 1960 or 2020.

Ron Snyder's avatar

I'm unaware of JFK personally deciding to withhold support. Unless it was at that point a definitively lost cause. Do you have a link to that decision and the circumstances? TIA

Pete's avatar

A Thousand Days by Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. which tries to put the best possible spin on JFK’s betrayal of the people of Cuba but falls flat.

Ron Snyder's avatar

Yeah, as if I am going to read a book to accept your post. I think not.

Pete's avatar

The book come with an index.

sid's avatar
3hEdited

It's true. The Essex was offshore ready to give support.

https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2011/may/fiasco-bay-pigs

Alan Gideon's avatar

And I think Trump has been similarly ill-served.

Pete's avatar

If you mean by not destroying the regime back in April I would agree.

Alan Gideon's avatar

To remove the Iranian regime, you have to remove the entire Twelfther philosophy, and philosophies are notoriously hard to destroy. Their version of ‘peace’ is simply waiting for another chance to kill you. Destroy their nuclear capability? Absolutely.

The Scuttlebutt's avatar

there's always the "hoof and mouth" cure.

Pete's avatar

We’ve dealt with worse. Nazi German and imperial Japan.

Ron Snyder's avatar

Team Trump has the best, most qualified Cabinet of my lifetime. Do you have specifics, or just bitching?

Pete's avatar

Sal

I am very surprised at you for liking this comment. I consider it to be stupid.

I don’t recall General Lee blaming Gettysburg on anyone but himself.

The buck stops with the man in charge.

I would love to hear your reasoning.

Richard's avatar

I was not aware of the fatal attacks on US servicemen in Puerto Rico. Another incidence of malfeasance by military leaders regarding the disarming of service members.

JohnC's avatar

It was my battalion (1/8) that was on air alert in 1980 when Carter sent us to Key West to handle the Freedom Flotilla refugees -- over 100,000 of them.

Yes, Castro emptied his prisons and mental asylums and sent spies, but the 99.9 percent were ordinary people so desperate for freedom it made you cry.

OhioCoastie's avatar

One of my USCGA classmates came over in the Mariel Boatlift. He was 8 at the time. The man had no love for communists, to put it mildly.

Brett Baker's avatar

"Mister we could use a man like Augusto Pinochet again.. '

Dale Flowers's avatar

Sure, some eggs were broken in making the omelette, but this man mastered the use of wingless aviation in fighting Communism. So, please, Brett. Include an honorific when using his name...Generalissimo, St., el Presidente, Jefe Supremo de la Nación, DINA-sower; maybe even tack on a "(PBUH)".

Bradley A Graham's avatar

Caravan of Death !

Christopher Tipton's avatar

I was 26 when I met my future wife in my hometown of Detroit. She was 19, born in Cuba, and moved to the US when she was 10 as part of the refugee Freedom Flights of 1970. She was serving in the US Coast Guard and her US citizenship application was in progress. I already had some exposure to communism through my service in Vietnam as a Marine, plus additional education as a teen and more after my service. However, I learned still more about communism from my wife. She literally bears physical scars from communism gained as a child. I was anti-communist before and became significantly more so from her. She is strongly anti-illegal alien, believes in strong and defended borders, and is rabidly anti-communist. She has nothing nice to say about the Castro family (in two languages). Free medical care? You betcha. Good free medical care. Nope. Plenty to eat? Nope. Mandatory unpaid work in cane fields even for four year old kids? Yep, plenty of that. And more.

Dale Flowers's avatar

Most of the naturalized U.S. Citizens I know are staunch anti-communists. I think that is a truism despite some of the press fawning over congressional and mayoral bomb-throwers.

Ask any Filipino how they feel about the Hukbalahap, NPA or MNLF(MILF).

sid's avatar
6hEdited

"FBI reporting relayed that the Weather Underground had “initiated, planned and organized the Venceremos Brigade (VB) trips” with the direct “encouragement and instructions of the Cuban government.” ..."

There is a solid generational connection to this and the current DSA here in Chicago...

https://www.alternet.org/2007/11/out_from_the_weather_underground

Specifically the neighborhood where I live...

https://areachicagoarchive.wordpress.com/2019/03/03/the-battle-for-uptown/

"Media exposure drew an unlikely new group to Uptown in the 1960s: the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). As part of an attempt to forge alliances between student political activists and urban working-class communities around the country, the SDS sent representatives to Uptown to organize the local population under the banner of JOIN (Jobs or Income Now).[3] Soon after its arrival in 1964, JOIN began to shift focus from unemployment to more pressing issues facing neighborhood residents, including housing conditions, abusive landlords, and police brutality. The block-by-block nature of JOIN organizing effectively developed local leadership, and the group had modest success with rent strikes against slumlords. Soon local activists began organizing new groups that would form part of Black Panther Party leader Fred Hampton’s short-lived Rainbow Coalition.[4] In 1965 the Hull House opened an office in Uptown offering a range of social services, and in the later 1970s created the Housing Resource Center, an institution that achieved a “quiet revolution” managing scattered-site public housing with dignity and principle during the Chicago Housing Authority’s near-collapse in the 1980s"

Want to make big money in this town? Get into shady tax exempt real estate deals...Just ask Valerie Jarrett and her buddy, Demigod Obama.

The open Communists are still here...

https://www.haymarkethouse.org/

The Scuttlebutt's avatar

It's funny how the press forgets all that stuff, but remembers "the most threatening insurection EVER" Jan 6...

Jeff Estes's avatar

The press forgot? You've written as though you're expecting a balanced, neutral report from foreign owned MSM.

The Scuttlebutt's avatar

expecting? no. calling out? yes.

NagsHeadLocal's avatar

Another Presbyterian refugee, eh? My ancestor left Scotland in 1695 as a Presbyterian missionary and ended up here in NC where he founded a church. My family has been members ever since and the mate and I were members until seven years ago when the new woman preacher started warning us from the pulpit about "Christian Nationalists" and "White Supremacists" who were going to take over any minute now. Nothing more in my life has disappointed me more than the moral collapse of that church.

Dale Flowers's avatar

Feeling a little wobbly myself with two Popes in a row, Catholic Charities and NGO's who lean too far Left for my comfort.

Clair Kiernan's avatar

Yeah, I joined the Episcopal church about five minutes before it greased the already-slippery slope and leaped on shouting "cannonball!!!"

corsair's avatar

Ironically, I recently accompanied my parents back to our old home Presbyterian church, where the current preacher, a confused gay-man, spent his July 5 sermon railing about 'white christian nationalism'. Then it was either the call to worship or affirmation of faith had some vague but very intentional modern feminist wording where I bit my lip and refused to move them. Just confirmed my disappointment with the church I grew up in.

Pete's avatar

Look for an evangelical Bible based. Church.

Pete's avatar

Just look at the what became of The Church of England.

Richard Bicker's avatar

"Defender of the Faith" my, er, eye!

Nurse Jane's avatar

Good Morning Shipmates…

As CDR Salamander shares and warns…

Please accept, I stand firm alongside Russia for better and respectful Global Cultural Relations to prevent “Hot Heads” from pushing Nuclear Agenda.

I grew up alongside Cubans, permitted to emigrate to USA by Cuban President Batista. Those years were, 1953 - 2017… New York City…born and raised!

I’ve embraced Mexicans, living and working legally in Maryland. These years are 2018 - present.

I proudly serve the United States Navy; my son proudly serves the United States Air Force! My father served Army Air Corps, Reconnaissance Division, World War Two!

That’s three (3) generations for those counting…

Very true to question Church affiliations!

My waterfront home along the Western Shore of the Chesapeake Bay will soon grow, in full sunlight, Cotton and Tobacco!

Just enough for Family “Plantation” personal use.

We are abundant in Plums and Pears!

The Almond Trees were planted two years ago, as were the Chestnuts. The Mighty Oak Tree was planted by Mr Mark Nicholson about 2000 year of Our Lord. His father, Oscar, designed the Elliptical Garden for JFK. That too, a relic of times passed.

Donald J. Trump has had his time in the sun!

If he’s to learn anything, he will learn through the examples set by our shipmates, everlasting better memories, our Military Leadership, and our learned, highly educated friends in other sovereign nations.

God bless America!

Respectfully reporting, Nurse Jane

F.S. Brim's avatar

A neighbor down the street was nine years old in Cuba in 1959 when his entire family was arrested and thrown into jail after Castro took over.

The parents and the two children were separated and the children put in a separate cell in another building along with the children of other families which had been arrested that week.

All the children were interrogated with the goal of getting them to implicate their parents in anti-Castro activity.

He didn't see his parents for another two months. His older brother had to run the household with help from other relatives while his parents were in jail.

He and his brother got out of Cuba in 1962 and found themselves in Yakima, Washington, being raised by foster parents. They didn't see their birth parents again until years later.

Jeff Estes's avatar

Every former Spanish colony is, or in between, either a socialist demicracy (free stuff) or a dictatorship. Sandinista strongman Ortega just announced "no more elections".

Dale Flowers's avatar

Let's give credit to Antonio Gramsci and Liberation Theology (Pope Francis, Paul IV, Jesuits, Dominicans, Maryknollers as boosters) too.

Tom Yardley's avatar

Dale, the problem, as always, is Monarchs, not communists.

We, the US, were heirs to some king-killing republicans. The English system was built on economic, and personal freedom; in fact, the English were willing to give up a great deal of personal liberty for the chance to engage in free enterprise. The Lord Protector's son got fired not because of the lack of religious freedom, but, because he couldn't keep the trains running on time. The English put up with a bunch of tyranny until they couldn't make money from business. That's why they called time on the dictator.

The English fired their dictator, then fired the inbreed they replaced him with, and brought on board a merchant to act as head of state. By 1689, England was moving forward with a full head of steam. She established parliamentary supremacy, barred royal interference in the law, and guaranteed specific civil liberties, everything we liberals hold dear. (No religious liberty, but everything else was protected).

What pissed off the Americans is that we were not able to participate in the market the way the English were, and because we thought we were English, and we were unwilling to accept anything less than the full range of personal, and economic freedom that the English had.

Spain was not a constitutional republic like England, it was a monarchy. Spain did not have free markets. The economic forces that were unleashed by the free markets in Holland and London were not extant in Madrid. There was no free trade in Spanish America. Venezuela could not trade with Columbia (Nuevo Reino de Granada), nor could Columbia trade with Peru. The crown created a monopoly on American trade. Every thing went to Seville.

Now, take the lack of free trade, and free enterprize, and throw in a tight caste system, of aristocrats, halfbreeds and outright slaves, similar to the fuedal system, and you have an entirely different social structure in Spanish American than was present in the English colonies. This is the structure that Spain created, and it is not suited for the entrepreneurs that thrived in a governmental system protective of individual liberty and free enterprise.

It is not obscure philosophy from the 1920s which is why Spanish Americans, and plain old Spanish, turned to the strong man, the one on the white horse – the Caudillo. When Franco took control, he did not do so with a copy of the "Prison Notebooks" open on his lap. He was simply following the pattern extant since the Visagoths ruled in the ninth century. “Only I can save you.”

Spanish colonies did not collapse and fall under the rule of a charismatic military leader, strongman, or warlord who wielded immense political power because of any political movements in the twentieth century. The collapsed into dictatorship, like Spain herself, because they did not come from a system with a constitution that protected the individual from the state. The flaw was evident 1830 when Bolivar’s dream of a free South America collapsed. And because Karl Marx was 12 in 1830 his later writings had little influnce on the post-Bolivar Caudillo's.

Richard Bicker's avatar

Overthrow the rump communist regime, free the people, allow business to move in, and Cuba will rebuild, flower, and become the Jewel of the Caribbean. But while that process is ongoing, keep Cuban refugees out of the USA. After a generation or two, once Castro's "dead-enders" (h/t Donald Rumsfeld) have died off, and the island's culture has gelled into something decent, consider immigration from New Cuba on a case-by-case basis.

W. Christie's avatar

The problem here, as I see it, is this administration's history of rarely letting the truth get in their way when making a case for action. A regular habit of exaggeration, bombast, hyperbole, and personal insult. Not to mention their regarding legitimate disagreement as enemy action that must be fought to the death. So now when they've come out with something like this, which is entirely correct and long overdue, the other side has all the ammunition they need to dismiss it out of hand.

TrustbutVerify's avatar

Your TDS didn't seem to get in the way of your understanding the truth of the issue. So....

W. Christie's avatar

Look, it's not TDS. And thanks for making my case that pointing out the obvious has to be derangement by the enemy and dismissed out of hand. It's entirely possible to endorse something or everything Trump has done and still admit that the man hasn't passed a single day in office without publicly insulting SOMEONE. This is a military blog, so we're mostly on the same page. But out there a very large part of the population wouldn't believe this administration if they said the sky was blue. This report is going to be dismissed as them trying to distract from a debacle of an Iran war, or a convenient excuse to start another war with Cuba--I can see the headlines already. I'm not talking about our military kids, but the young generation is regarding Republicans as loathsome, Democrats as ridiculously ineffectual, both parties as irredeemably corrupt, and "democratic socialism" as a valid option to both. Those leftists running that circus see it as their time, and this is just as much a real danger to the Republic as northerners and southerners abandoning the ballot box and political debate and instead turning to regarding each other as the enemy in 1860. All of us who swore an oath to the Constitution need to get on board with the fact that the founders designed our system for political disagreement and debate, not political war that has to be won at all cost.

TrustbutVerify's avatar

You didn't point out the "obvious" about anything...you put for your opinion and observation as the basis for your point. It is an obviously biased opinion based on your perceptions and evident antipathy...as you go on to reinforce in your response. The part of the population you speak about has been the very target, and victim, of the very deception operation from the left that we are discussing. That Trump responds to them with discourteous remarks when they have tried to unconstitutionally jail him, perverted the legal system to do so, and daily call him some variation of a Nazi, racist, whatever isn't remarkable. In fact, it is part of the reason he got elected because everybody was tired of such abuse of W. Bush while Rove counseled him to ignore it and be "above it all". Well, that fire is not just directed at Bush or Trump - it is directed at supporters, too. And rhetorical defense from leaders, as harsh as it may be, is needed...you have to fight.

There is no way you can be gentlemanly and deal with the people we are talking about, and the brainwashed people who allow them to continue to flourish by ignoring the very history and motivations that are listed in the article.

The very media circus you describe is why it must to rooted out - and they'll complain just the same, make all the same arguments, while you do it. If you are going to succumb and give up because of THAT there is no hope that it will be ended.

Tom Yardley's avatar

This post by TrustbutVerify is TDS at the worst. Mr. Christie hit the nail on the head, and the TDS poster responds with Trump's fake grievances.

The reason the "population wouldn't believe this administration if they said the sky was blue," is because of the constant barrage of outright lies. Look at this bullshit war we are in. They are even lying to us about the casulties.

Jetcal1's avatar

It appears that mainland Cuba is slowly being contained by a combination of political action by this administration and the weight of their own incompetence. Regrettably we are unable to contain the legion of useful idiots that carry US citizenship that will rescue them if given the opportunity. Like Biden taking the Houthi off the terrorist list, the next Democratic Administration will provide succor. Another cycle of rinse and repeat.

TrustbutVerify's avatar

Thanks, CDR...great as always. I think the most salient points, though, are not about Cuba and its fate/outcome as much as the direct links to their espionage and warfare in the US and the connection to the modern left. It clarifies who they are, what they want, and what their mission has always been in terms of OUR country. As much as we want to convert and rehabilitate Cuba, it is more important we identify this in our own political ecosystem, define it for all to see, call out their purpose, and eliminate it. They are, fundamentally, anti-American - violating the prohibitions against treason - and no amount of obfuscation from the left and appeals to "dissent" or using our democratic/judicial system against us.

billrla's avatar

We've got a Cuban-trained Marxist running Los Angeles at this very moment. A real charmer.