“A new bar has been set…” A new lower bar, but that is what we expect and accept when the Left is in power. Different party, lower standards. Lower moral standards. Lower physical standards. Lower academic standards. Lower economic standards. Lower behavioral standards. You name it, the Left has an objectively lower standard for it.
I have been outspoken many years about the force-feeding of women into "we can do everything that men do" military service. Her story is inspirational, and she truly as one of those very special women who could and did walk the walk.
I knew one girl at the trade school, maybe 5'4" who went into special ops (as opposed to specwar) who also worked her ass off and was as dedicated as anyone, and as tough as she could possibly be.
I completely agree - Neither of these people merit a ship named after them - period. I am sure there are still people who died in combat heroically who merit a ship named in their memory or past ships names ripe for re-use.
Agreed. Although, fix the Commish date for DDG 51 - July 4, 1991 - I was there from the beginning at Bath. Now I am trying to fix Zumwalt before I depart for perpetual R&R.
I remember seeing the Burke, brand new and shiny after coming back from my first Med. We were all impressed and thought "wow!! The future is here!" Who'd have thought that that "future" is still here, eons later, and theyre still on the ways when I just watched my daughter graduate RTC???
Unfortunately this has been going on for a long time. I can see FDR having a CV named after him, and Maybe Nimitz. Other admirable people should at best have been honored by a Destroyer, though I personally believe that should be reserved for heroes of the Naval Service (yes, that includes Marines). The latest is pretty much the level of petty outrage I have come to expect from this administration and its minions. Right up there with the forced renaming of ships whose namesakes were not politically correct.
That was the result of the 60's modernization of the Midway which took twice the time and twice the money anticipated.
I watched her get warped into Hunters Point for that....
The Coral Sea's modernization kept her viable, but the early 50s modernization of the FDR meant she wasn't much more capable than the Essex's then still around.
First ship was plane guard for her when she conducted her last flight ops in the Jax Op Area carqualing some soon to deploy squadrons...
Concur - Great Great Grandpa Scoobs was Union infantryman who ended up on the "loosing" side at Chancellorsville (& Fredericksburg) - I always took a measure of pride in CG-62 as her name honored the Americans that served on BOTH sides of that battle. How naive of me!
Well, you see, the "baddies" came out on top in that battle, so this administration considers those Federal soldiers who gave the last full measure of devotion to be "suckers and losers".
I believe there is a CG named "Chosin", another battle where the baddies came out on top. I don't think the clowns in this administration have the guts to imply those Marines and soldiers who died in that battle were suckers and losers.
CG 62 is / was CHANCELLORSVILLE, the civil war battle. She is now named BIGGY SMALLS. CG 63 is / was COWPENS (better known in 7th FLEET as COWPIE), named after a revolutionary war battle.
My dad was XO of a NRC when Boorda's suicide happened. He talked about how for some of his reserve sailors, that next DWE brought home to them how we're one Navy in some ways.
Papa Scoobs has a few Boorda stories - they were both commissioned about the same time and came up as mustangs through rather humble commissioning sources. Based on their few interactions over the years Papa's take was that Boorda was a very ambitious and savvy BuPers Bandit; Boorda was also a prior PS1 and if anyone should have been a stickler for awards documentation it should have been him.
Clearly we have strayed from naming ships after our military heroes who've given the ultimate sacrifice. Maybe Mullen should have had a scrapped LCS named after him. That boondoggle cost us $ billions, lost combat power and untold prestige around the world.
You didn't have to die in combat to get a destroyer named after you. Some folks did really brave things and lived. (But the commander is correct. Naming anything after a living person is bad form.)
Concur - and in case SECNAV hasn't been watching the news the past week, here's two other no brainers: USS HARDER (SSN-812) and USS SAMUEL DEALEY (DDG-145)!
Virgina Blk-V got started with using sacred Pearl Harbor memorials getting used with OK & AZ.
Things got onto the right track by going back to creatures of the sea, to which Harder would've been most appropriate.
Then things got screwy again with the naming of the John H. Dalton. All I can find is his high-point in uniform was graduating with high academic honors from USNA and being classmate and good buddy's with Jimmy Carter. He wasn't in uniform long, got into finance and kept his toes wet around Washington and Annapolis, earning him a number of 'awards' ...which are more like participation recognitions of being in the 'right' club.
After Dalton, the naming convention then went to cities: Long Beach, San Francisco, Miami
If anything, Eugene Fluckey hasn't had a sub or a ship named after him..what about Slade Cutter, Mush Morton, Reuben Whitaker...?
“A new bar has been set…” A new lower bar, but that is what we expect and accept when the Left is in power. Different party, lower standards. Lower moral standards. Lower physical standards. Lower academic standards. Lower economic standards. Lower behavioral standards. You name it, the Left has an objectively lower standard for it.
Someone has friends in "low places"...
Where the whisky flows, and the beer chases my blues away...
🤘
Well, we'll probably end up buying more Burkes, so these naming games will probably continue.
And the new religion is that it's wrong for guys over 30 to date women in their 20s.
Nonsense. Worked for me.
Does almost 60 count as over 30? Never mind; I'm sure the spousal unit would object:)
No better name for a destroyer than "USS SHANNON KENT"
An outstanding woman, mother, and kick ass warrior who died in combat.
If you do not recognize the name, read this.
https://coffeeordie.com/shannon-kent
TRUE!!
I have been outspoken many years about the force-feeding of women into "we can do everything that men do" military service. Her story is inspirational, and she truly as one of those very special women who could and did walk the walk.
I knew one girl at the trade school, maybe 5'4" who went into special ops (as opposed to specwar) who also worked her ass off and was as dedicated as anyone, and as tough as she could possibly be.
Full bore.
I completely agree - Neither of these people merit a ship named after them - period. I am sure there are still people who died in combat heroically who merit a ship named in their memory or past ships names ripe for re-use.
If we're casting about aimlessly, Lt. Col David Greene was a good man. At one point I think he was the most senior Marine KIA in Iraq post 2002
Ernest E Evans vs. Mullen? Are they in the same league at all?
Maybe a whale boat for Mullen by comparison
Agreed. Mullen did not impress me much when he stopped at King’s Bay as CNO in 2007.
Just ' Build ' a Better US NAVY for the Future & Concentrate on that vs Trying to Mentally LIMBO Under Ur Lower Bar ???
Agreed. Although, fix the Commish date for DDG 51 - July 4, 1991 - I was there from the beginning at Bath. Now I am trying to fix Zumwalt before I depart for perpetual R&R.
Damblit... had 2001 on the brain...
Wish we could go back in time to 1991 and correct all those wrong-headed decisions based on "good intentions"...
This applies in professional AND personal realms ...
Bon chance avec Zumwalt. Replacing rail guns with missiles a good plan?
I remember seeing the Burke, brand new and shiny after coming back from my first Med. We were all impressed and thought "wow!! The future is here!" Who'd have thought that that "future" is still here, eons later, and theyre still on the ways when I just watched my daughter graduate RTC???
Unfortunately this has been going on for a long time. I can see FDR having a CV named after him, and Maybe Nimitz. Other admirable people should at best have been honored by a Destroyer, though I personally believe that should be reserved for heroes of the Naval Service (yes, that includes Marines). The latest is pretty much the level of petty outrage I have come to expect from this administration and its minions. Right up there with the forced renaming of ships whose namesakes were not politically correct.
CV 42 was the FDR
Yes. Followed her around in the Med quite a bit in my DDG. Call sign "Riptide" as I recall.
I thought it weird that they kept 41 and 43 until the 90s but let her decomm in the 70s
That was the result of the 60's modernization of the Midway which took twice the time and twice the money anticipated.
I watched her get warped into Hunters Point for that....
The Coral Sea's modernization kept her viable, but the early 50s modernization of the FDR meant she wasn't much more capable than the Essex's then still around.
First ship was plane guard for her when she conducted her last flight ops in the Jax Op Area carqualing some soon to deploy squadrons...
Concur - Great Great Grandpa Scoobs was Union infantryman who ended up on the "loosing" side at Chancellorsville (& Fredericksburg) - I always took a measure of pride in CG-62 as her name honored the Americans that served on BOTH sides of that battle. How naive of me!
Well, you see, the "baddies" came out on top in that battle, so this administration considers those Federal soldiers who gave the last full measure of devotion to be "suckers and losers".
I believe there is a CG named "Chosin", another battle where the baddies came out on top. I don't think the clowns in this administration have the guts to imply those Marines and soldiers who died in that battle were suckers and losers.
CG 62 is / was CHANCELLORSVILLE, the civil war battle. She is now named BIGGY SMALLS. CG 63 is / was COWPENS (better known in 7th FLEET as COWPIE), named after a revolutionary war battle.
Ha - "Biggy"! I bet her breakaway tunes are on point...
career politicians.
Compared with new, or in build
Agamemnon
Agincourt
Dreadnought
Glasgow
Cardiff
Venturer (read the story of the last one before passing comment)
Active
I would rather see one named after Adm. Boorda, Oliver Hazard Perry or John Paul Jones.
JPJ still in commission (DDG-53). Both would be better than the two names announced.
Oh, crap. Thanks for the correction, Ken. I forgot about that.
Boorda eh? Hopefully that ship will have its Combat V paperwork in order!
ouch.
That story never sat right with me. I knew an LDO that worked closely with him at one point earlier in his career. Said he was a really good man.
My dad was XO of a NRC when Boorda's suicide happened. He talked about how for some of his reserve sailors, that next DWE brought home to them how we're one Navy in some ways.
Papa Scoobs has a few Boorda stories - they were both commissioned about the same time and came up as mustangs through rather humble commissioning sources. Based on their few interactions over the years Papa's take was that Boorda was a very ambitious and savvy BuPers Bandit; Boorda was also a prior PS1 and if anyone should have been a stickler for awards documentation it should have been him.
There is no OHP? That's borderline criminal.
The USS Boorda might sink itself.
Clearly we have strayed from naming ships after our military heroes who've given the ultimate sacrifice. Maybe Mullen should have had a scrapped LCS named after him. That boondoggle cost us $ billions, lost combat power and untold prestige around the world.
You didn't have to die in combat to get a destroyer named after you. Some folks did really brave things and lived. (But the commander is correct. Naming anything after a living person is bad form.)
We have many heroes. Mullen and Danzig? Not so much.
So, scratch the USS George Floyd?
Don't bet on it.
David: "I said fantail, sailor, not fantanyl!"
Next carrier.
Army guy here...hard to argue with your logic. Thanks for posting! Reading the other comments, I have to agree with John S. and his recommendation to honor a true fallen hero with the "USS SHANNON KENT". Other suitable heroes to take the place of Danzig & Mullen would include LTs Choe & Toner, killed in green-on-blue in Afghanistan in 2009. I worked with LT Choe briefly and was impressed with her work ethic and professional competence. https://thefallen.militarytimes.com/navy-lt-florence-b-choe/4013489 & https://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/fltoner4.htm#:~:text=MAZAR-E-SHARIF%2C%20Afghanistan%20%28NNS%29%20%E2%80%94%20Lieutenant%20%28j.g.%29%20Francis%20L.,Afghanistan%20%28CSTC-A%29%20at%20Camp%20Shaheen%2C%20in%20Mazar-E-Sharif%2C%20Afghanistan.
“A new bar has been set…” Yeah, a tortoise could hurdle it. STILL, NO USS Fluckey...gurrr. : (
Concur - and in case SECNAV hasn't been watching the news the past week, here's two other no brainers: USS HARDER (SSN-812) and USS SAMUEL DEALEY (DDG-145)!
Submarine names are equally screwed up.
Virgina Blk-V got started with using sacred Pearl Harbor memorials getting used with OK & AZ.
Things got onto the right track by going back to creatures of the sea, to which Harder would've been most appropriate.
Then things got screwy again with the naming of the John H. Dalton. All I can find is his high-point in uniform was graduating with high academic honors from USNA and being classmate and good buddy's with Jimmy Carter. He wasn't in uniform long, got into finance and kept his toes wet around Washington and Annapolis, earning him a number of 'awards' ...which are more like participation recognitions of being in the 'right' club.
After Dalton, the naming convention then went to cities: Long Beach, San Francisco, Miami
If anything, Eugene Fluckey hasn't had a sub or a ship named after him..what about Slade Cutter, Mush Morton, Reuben Whitaker...?
Agreed. I have to say that Im still very conflicted about seeing Arizona used again, and just slightly less so with Oklahoma...