"It’s not always the machine, it’s the men in those machines."
True, but the machine in this instance was up to the demands placed on it. I know nothing about the F9F, but wiki gives a little insight into its design by Grumman (I don't think the demise of that firm gave us any benefit).
That led me to an interesting USNI article on the history of the AEDO community which grew out of the Naval Constructor Corps. Going through that history shows the institutional issues that permeated the USN in the 20th Century and really worth considering with our shore establishment today.
Sal recently discussed tenders, but we should probably also consider aviation and ordnance maintenance as well.
I'm amazed the cockpit (!) was large enough to hold all the equipment that man carried.
I think the carrier CO deserved a medal, too, and hope he got one. I've listened to discussions over the years about the requirement for carrier COs to be aviators, but this story makes a very good argument about the special insight needed for the role. (And I say that as a retired black shoe.)
Yes, the “Secrets” aren’t really secrets, just not publicized facts.
Lieutenant Joe Pratt, “Mustang”, USMC, wounded in Chosen Basin, “Korean Conflict”, took me under his wing after he saw my persistence, 1977, boarding the USAF Plane to Bermuda! Joe was the Public Affairs Officer for our Pentagon!
Who knew, 1994, Tuck Tucker, appointed by Queen Elizabeth II to build a harbor in Bermuda, would help organize my wedding on the Chesapeake Bay!
Our reception was under tents on my waterfront property. Yes. CDR, Tuck Tucker, everlasting be his memory, gave me the $1.00 tour of Bermuda highlighting what a naval officer needed to know. My little boy was well cared for in Tuck’s Family Estate.
Tuck invited me to the Plaza Hotel in NYC to encourage my Education! Tuck knew the Habig Family had begun my divorce. I didn’t know that because “Secrets” were kept. I was/still am fifty (50%) Jewish, not acceptable to a North German!
Yes, the “Secrets”, and unless you are an Attorney in the State of Maryland, in front of an Annapolis Circuit Court Judge, who chooses to hide those “Secrets”, so those facts are kept “Secret”!
I am advocating for National Security on my section of the Chesapeake Bay!
Yesterday, Attorney Mike Lehr, of Sims & Cambell, advised me NOT to respond to a so-called email from an Attorney Williams.
CDR, let’s help Transparency! Yes?
Let’s protect our beautiful United States of America! Thank you!
Amazing, why do we always shoot ourselves in the foot in cases like these events? He is incredible and the event should be acknowledged. Not lost to history as a footnote so that all know. In the name of classification, we do these things why wait to declassify for so long! Hopefully, it will be addressed soon. Great man and Aviator.
1. The fight tends to demonstrate two things about fighters.
- land based jets tend to be better than naval jets (slower dev time, and more requirements)
- swept wings are better
2. trivia, both the Mig-15 and the Panther had the same engine, based on the RR Nene. Which the Brit Labor gov gave samples (40) of to the Soviets in 1946. With the same engine, the shapes make the difference. The Mig-15 was faster with a much better rate of climb. Our contemporary F-86, was better at both.
3. The NSA reference is sort of bogus. The big collector was the ASA at Chitose. The NSG had a smaller presence, their land based collection was as a sub unit at Chitose. No way flash or critic traffic went to DIRNSA and back to the fleet in order to be able to call it NSA intercepts. NSA had no intercept assets, till satellites
Lots of lessons here. First, it's so important these stories get their time in the sun. This one, perhaps at just the right time. De-escalation is important. Knowing moments like this can and will happen is important. Additionally, there is a never ending benefit to having enough durability and fuel. And Tenacity....
It’s not always the machine, it’s the men in those machines.
As the grandson of two Korean War-era veterans, it is good for us to remember the heroism of that period.
"It’s not always the machine, it’s the men in those machines."
True, but the machine in this instance was up to the demands placed on it. I know nothing about the F9F, but wiki gives a little insight into its design by Grumman (I don't think the demise of that firm gave us any benefit).
That led me to an interesting USNI article on the history of the AEDO community which grew out of the Naval Constructor Corps. Going through that history shows the institutional issues that permeated the USN in the 20th Century and really worth considering with our shore establishment today.
Sal recently discussed tenders, but we should probably also consider aviation and ordnance maintenance as well.
Incredible video. Watched it all in pure amazement. Fullbore to the nth degree.
No missles , No radar and no wingman. A true hunter of the skies.
Then the swamp decides to erase your kill count so as not to embarrass a mortal enemy.
He didn't rest on his laurels but continued with a spectacular Naval career.
Epic.
⚓ Semper Fortis + FLY FIGHT WIN 💪🏼
Thank you for digging this up....🇺🇲🇰🇷🌊
That is an awesome story and video. What a hero!! Even as amazing was the pounding the F9F could take and he landed it.
I'm amazed the cockpit (!) was large enough to hold all the equipment that man carried.
I think the carrier CO deserved a medal, too, and hope he got one. I've listened to discussions over the years about the requirement for carrier COs to be aviators, but this story makes a very good argument about the special insight needed for the role. (And I say that as a retired black shoe.)
Good Morning CDR Salamander!
Yes, the “Secrets” aren’t really secrets, just not publicized facts.
Lieutenant Joe Pratt, “Mustang”, USMC, wounded in Chosen Basin, “Korean Conflict”, took me under his wing after he saw my persistence, 1977, boarding the USAF Plane to Bermuda! Joe was the Public Affairs Officer for our Pentagon!
Who knew, 1994, Tuck Tucker, appointed by Queen Elizabeth II to build a harbor in Bermuda, would help organize my wedding on the Chesapeake Bay!
Our reception was under tents on my waterfront property. Yes. CDR, Tuck Tucker, everlasting be his memory, gave me the $1.00 tour of Bermuda highlighting what a naval officer needed to know. My little boy was well cared for in Tuck’s Family Estate.
Tuck invited me to the Plaza Hotel in NYC to encourage my Education! Tuck knew the Habig Family had begun my divorce. I didn’t know that because “Secrets” were kept. I was/still am fifty (50%) Jewish, not acceptable to a North German!
Yes, the “Secrets”, and unless you are an Attorney in the State of Maryland, in front of an Annapolis Circuit Court Judge, who chooses to hide those “Secrets”, so those facts are kept “Secret”!
I am advocating for National Security on my section of the Chesapeake Bay!
Yesterday, Attorney Mike Lehr, of Sims & Cambell, advised me NOT to respond to a so-called email from an Attorney Williams.
CDR, let’s help Transparency! Yes?
Let’s protect our beautiful United States of America! Thank you!
Respectfully, Nurse Jane
Met him at TH many years ago.
God damn.....full bore all the way. I hope he gets the MOH.
Hand Salute.
This is a case I've been watching for a while, hoping they would give him his due.
Thanks for bringing attention to him.
Amazing, why do we always shoot ourselves in the foot in cases like these events? He is incredible and the event should be acknowledged. Not lost to history as a footnote so that all know. In the name of classification, we do these things why wait to declassify for so long! Hopefully, it will be addressed soon. Great man and Aviator.
random thoughts
1. The fight tends to demonstrate two things about fighters.
- land based jets tend to be better than naval jets (slower dev time, and more requirements)
- swept wings are better
2. trivia, both the Mig-15 and the Panther had the same engine, based on the RR Nene. Which the Brit Labor gov gave samples (40) of to the Soviets in 1946. With the same engine, the shapes make the difference. The Mig-15 was faster with a much better rate of climb. Our contemporary F-86, was better at both.
3. The NSA reference is sort of bogus. The big collector was the ASA at Chitose. The NSG had a smaller presence, their land based collection was as a sub unit at Chitose. No way flash or critic traffic went to DIRNSA and back to the fleet in order to be able to call it NSA intercepts. NSA had no intercept assets, till satellites
Lots of lessons here. First, it's so important these stories get their time in the sun. This one, perhaps at just the right time. De-escalation is important. Knowing moments like this can and will happen is important. Additionally, there is a never ending benefit to having enough durability and fuel. And Tenacity....
Wow! Definition of a Navy Fighter Pilot.