They probably could have sortied a couple of big deck amphibs to the region by now and loaded all the people into the troop compartments. Plenty of room on LPD's, LPH's, etc.
Concur all. Besides escorting the cruise ship, I would hope that we are significantly augmenting her internal security with armed US forces. The bad guys like to infiltrate and then murder, lest we forget.
I’d argue putting a CSG offshore is a monument to national capability; not a monument to national will. USING the CSG is the latter.
It amazes that the West is so flaccid in the face of this atrocity. It quite obviously is an action by a rising anti-Western ideology and power that is both a test of America’s national will and a start of the most serious attack on liberty since 1945.
Because our response will be other than the historically-appropriate response to a power able, willing and eager to attack the allies of an adversary power - annihilating the attacker - Iran and Islam will continue and increase their attacks on a West unwilling - not unable, but choosing not to - respond.
The proper - historical - response to this attack on Israel is the same as the proper - historical - response should have been to 9/11. The West ROSE by killing its enemies.
Iran should be nuked now; KSA should’ve been nuked on 9/12.
If we won’t kill our enemies, we aren’t defending our Darwinian niche; it will be taken from us. That’s what Iran is starting now.
The question is, as it has been since 26 June 1950: Why do we care more about the lives of our enemies than we do about the lives of our citizens?
Hezbollah has capability and intent to use land based cruise missiles against naval targets. They lack the opportunity. I wonder how loose ADC will be with ROE and FRAGO for ATO. Deconfliction will be “interesting”. No one wants another Liberty incident either.
I’m curious if we see IRGCN tactics and doctrine used by Hezbollah.
If the Ford is over the hump and the Navy is now confident in its abilities, we should move to a new build strategy and ditch the RCOHs for a 10 new carrier fleet. Make Ford's 5-7 and 8-10 3 ship block buys every 8 years. Launch a ship every 32 months. One pre-req for that would be building 2 ships in graving dock 12 at the same time. This is already happening with Enterprise and Dorris Miller.
Bring back the escort carrier? 2 squadrons of F-35s and 2 of helicopters, plus some UAVs. Great for those "backwater" areas where we need to suddenly have presence. EC, Amhpib, Burke, Constellation, and 1 or 2 sustainment ships.
The 2nd CSG needs to head further west to SOH and ensure that the Iranians idiots don't try anything. I would assume a small mushroom cloud over Tehran would result if they do actively get involved in the Gaza cesspool.
Promissory note for safe evac? And 6 million illegals get a free phone, can't be turned down for a loan, get free $300 per day housing, free food, and free education. Gotta love the US Guvmint.
Your comment on the escort seemed almost painfully obvious.........then you mentioned a MarDet. Hopefully whoever is coordinating this listens to their staff weenies. (Who also hopefully are thinking out of the box.)
Aircraft carrier capability to bomb: Before the F-35 stealthy bird ,some time ago during the Vietnam era, we had the A-6, A-4 and A-7 aircraft that could put MANY MK-82, MK-83 AND MK-84 bombs on target with deadly accuracy. The A-6 could carry 28 MK-82 500lb bombs! What do we have now? I suppose the B-52s are available but I have not heard them headed east from Barksdale, AFB (I live in N. Louisiana) loaded for war in a long time.
Why would I trust The Nation when they can’t get even the basic history right?
“From then on, carriers played a leading role throughout the Pacific theater, displacing the once-dominant battleship. One of these, the USS Enterprise (Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry fancied its name), participated four months later in Lt. Col. Jimmy Doolittle’s carrier-launched retaliatory bombing raid on Tokyo“
Sure, I SUPPOSE you could say Enterprise “participated”, but only as a support vessel in the overall task force. The Hornet led the raid and any other suggestion is weak-sauce. I guess they just wanted to link it to Star Trek, which is even sadder than not knowing the history.
I guess the question is better when you cut it off in the appropriate place. “Why should I trust The Nation?”
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They probably could have sortied a couple of big deck amphibs to the region by now and loaded all the people into the troop compartments. Plenty of room on LPD's, LPH's, etc.
Concur all. Besides escorting the cruise ship, I would hope that we are significantly augmenting her internal security with armed US forces. The bad guys like to infiltrate and then murder, lest we forget.
I’d argue putting a CSG offshore is a monument to national capability; not a monument to national will. USING the CSG is the latter.
It amazes that the West is so flaccid in the face of this atrocity. It quite obviously is an action by a rising anti-Western ideology and power that is both a test of America’s national will and a start of the most serious attack on liberty since 1945.
Because our response will be other than the historically-appropriate response to a power able, willing and eager to attack the allies of an adversary power - annihilating the attacker - Iran and Islam will continue and increase their attacks on a West unwilling - not unable, but choosing not to - respond.
The proper - historical - response to this attack on Israel is the same as the proper - historical - response should have been to 9/11. The West ROSE by killing its enemies.
Iran should be nuked now; KSA should’ve been nuked on 9/12.
If we won’t kill our enemies, we aren’t defending our Darwinian niche; it will be taken from us. That’s what Iran is starting now.
The question is, as it has been since 26 June 1950: Why do we care more about the lives of our enemies than we do about the lives of our citizens?
I'd like to think that precautions were/are being taken; unfortunately that's not the way to bet.
They are finishing up division diversity training. They will maybe sorta get there eventually. When they are green in the stoplight chart.
heh heh. yep, watched as those carriers were deployed, and wondered........
where are the amphibs, (read Marines ) hmmm? Semper Fi y'all
Do you ever get the feeling that Putin plays three dimensional chess and Biden, Blinken, Austin, Sullivan, etc. are playing Candy Land?
Hezbollah has capability and intent to use land based cruise missiles against naval targets. They lack the opportunity. I wonder how loose ADC will be with ROE and FRAGO for ATO. Deconfliction will be “interesting”. No one wants another Liberty incident either.
I’m curious if we see IRGCN tactics and doctrine used by Hezbollah.
If the Ford is over the hump and the Navy is now confident in its abilities, we should move to a new build strategy and ditch the RCOHs for a 10 new carrier fleet. Make Ford's 5-7 and 8-10 3 ship block buys every 8 years. Launch a ship every 32 months. One pre-req for that would be building 2 ships in graving dock 12 at the same time. This is already happening with Enterprise and Dorris Miller.
Bring back the escort carrier? 2 squadrons of F-35s and 2 of helicopters, plus some UAVs. Great for those "backwater" areas where we need to suddenly have presence. EC, Amhpib, Burke, Constellation, and 1 or 2 sustainment ships.
The 2nd CSG needs to head further west to SOH and ensure that the Iranians idiots don't try anything. I would assume a small mushroom cloud over Tehran would result if they do actively get involved in the Gaza cesspool.
Promissory note for safe evac? And 6 million illegals get a free phone, can't be turned down for a loan, get free $300 per day housing, free food, and free education. Gotta love the US Guvmint.
Your comment on the escort seemed almost painfully obvious.........then you mentioned a MarDet. Hopefully whoever is coordinating this listens to their staff weenies. (Who also hopefully are thinking out of the box.)
Duplicate comment.
Aircraft carrier capability to bomb: Before the F-35 stealthy bird ,some time ago during the Vietnam era, we had the A-6, A-4 and A-7 aircraft that could put MANY MK-82, MK-83 AND MK-84 bombs on target with deadly accuracy. The A-6 could carry 28 MK-82 500lb bombs! What do we have now? I suppose the B-52s are available but I have not heard them headed east from Barksdale, AFB (I live in N. Louisiana) loaded for war in a long time.
Why would I trust The Nation when they can’t get even the basic history right?
“From then on, carriers played a leading role throughout the Pacific theater, displacing the once-dominant battleship. One of these, the USS Enterprise (Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry fancied its name), participated four months later in Lt. Col. Jimmy Doolittle’s carrier-launched retaliatory bombing raid on Tokyo“
Sure, I SUPPOSE you could say Enterprise “participated”, but only as a support vessel in the overall task force. The Hornet led the raid and any other suggestion is weak-sauce. I guess they just wanted to link it to Star Trek, which is even sadder than not knowing the history.
I guess the question is better when you cut it off in the appropriate place. “Why should I trust The Nation?”