We should have gone all in on self-deploying mines and 1400 mile range Harpoon like mines that could do precision minefields to mine every port and harbor should the Chinese try anything. Cut off their supply chain and eliminate any re-supply of ground forces and the war would be very short indeed. No reason something like this should take a decade or more to field, either. We have the technology, and it should be relatively cheap.
“An unmanned version of what the Italians used against the Royal Navy in Egypt and what the Royal Navy did against Tirpitz.”
And what the Axis powers used against us - Grandpa Scoobs had a sea story about being awakened one morning by the GQ alarm going off while his carrier was anchored in supposedly secure Ulithi lagoon. He and his buddies rushed to the flight deck and saw a billowing smoke column in the distance - the fiery remains of the fleet oiler USS Mississinewa which had just fallen victim to the inaugural IJN Kaiten manned-torpedo attack.
1:23 point "Cannot be detected by Russian surveillance systems." The surface looks like just black paint and not anechoic tiles. I would think that active sonar would still work. I guess RUS will find out.
A spritely Black Sea naval scrap has happened in the last ~48 hours...
Most significant is the apparent use of the Ukr Neptune missile in a land attack role, launched by a "navy' that doesn't exist in a generally accepted sense, and took out an S-400 battery along with a 'Bastion' K-300P site.
One other thing I expect the Ukrainians to do is come up with a surface drone that launches a short range missile / flying drone so that it can pass over the various anti-boat drone nets and barriers. Flight range only needs to be half a mile max. Probably never achieves real flight just ground effect but even 10-20 ft altitude would be enough to get over the barriers, even perhaps a harbor wall, and then hit the target on the waterline
No one, repeat, no one knows the future. The best we can do without divine intervention is to make projections based on extrapolations of current trends. But unless a person has unbelievable levels of delusion about their powers of prophesy, he should always put bands of uncertainty around every independent variable in his projection. Anything else will create “solutions” that are very brittle, meaning they are easy to avoid or defeat. Captain Wayne Meyer had it right when he said, “Build a little, test a little, learn a lot.”
The 2023 Navy SCN budget is $66.152B. This does not include an acquisition program’s budget for R&D- numbers that are not inconsiderable. If every SCN program were “taxed” one tenth of one percent of each year’s budget, there would be $66M this year alone to build working prototypes of craft like the Ukrainian UUV simply to begin important fleet experiments.
The range/persistence is suspect
Even if this is a paper machine, the Russians will divert resources to defend against it.
"you can't buy training like this"... now there's some stark truth right there. Taiwan? You paying attention to this one???
We should have gone all in on self-deploying mines and 1400 mile range Harpoon like mines that could do precision minefields to mine every port and harbor should the Chinese try anything. Cut off their supply chain and eliminate any re-supply of ground forces and the war would be very short indeed. No reason something like this should take a decade or more to field, either. We have the technology, and it should be relatively cheap.
“An unmanned version of what the Italians used against the Royal Navy in Egypt and what the Royal Navy did against Tirpitz.”
And what the Axis powers used against us - Grandpa Scoobs had a sea story about being awakened one morning by the GQ alarm going off while his carrier was anchored in supposedly secure Ulithi lagoon. He and his buddies rushed to the flight deck and saw a billowing smoke column in the distance - the fiery remains of the fleet oiler USS Mississinewa which had just fallen victim to the inaugural IJN Kaiten manned-torpedo attack.
1:23 point "Cannot be detected by Russian surveillance systems." The surface looks like just black paint and not anechoic tiles. I would think that active sonar would still work. I guess RUS will find out.
A couple more pictures at HI Sutton. http://www.hisutton.com/Ukraine-Marichka-AUV.html
Well, if you can't build and maintain a real navy, at least get some toys to play with.
6m x 1m...so an autonomous torpedo?
A spritely Black Sea naval scrap has happened in the last ~48 hours...
Most significant is the apparent use of the Ukr Neptune missile in a land attack role, launched by a "navy' that doesn't exist in a generally accepted sense, and took out an S-400 battery along with a 'Bastion' K-300P site.
https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1694400034085728284?s=20
Purportedly, the missiles were launched from one of the offshore platforms.
One other thing I expect the Ukrainians to do is come up with a surface drone that launches a short range missile / flying drone so that it can pass over the various anti-boat drone nets and barriers. Flight range only needs to be half a mile max. Probably never achieves real flight just ground effect but even 10-20 ft altitude would be enough to get over the barriers, even perhaps a harbor wall, and then hit the target on the waterline
copycat of Russian "Poseidon", neh? Slava Ukraini!
No one, repeat, no one knows the future. The best we can do without divine intervention is to make projections based on extrapolations of current trends. But unless a person has unbelievable levels of delusion about their powers of prophesy, he should always put bands of uncertainty around every independent variable in his projection. Anything else will create “solutions” that are very brittle, meaning they are easy to avoid or defeat. Captain Wayne Meyer had it right when he said, “Build a little, test a little, learn a lot.”
The 2023 Navy SCN budget is $66.152B. This does not include an acquisition program’s budget for R&D- numbers that are not inconsiderable. If every SCN program were “taxed” one tenth of one percent of each year’s budget, there would be $66M this year alone to build working prototypes of craft like the Ukrainian UUV simply to begin important fleet experiments.
Submitted for your consideration.
Is this the drones we hear about in the news that are being used against Russian ships recently?
I can see uses for this, especially with powerful enough batteries, with a long enough life to allow it to lurk in the shadows, until needed.
Most naval innovation starts out from private sources. It's the new Whitehead
My concern is Big Navy will keep piling on requirements for the system to a point it will be to expensive and won't be able to carry out its mission.