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Frank Natoli's avatar

"Frozen war" appears to be the Biden Administration objective, giving Ukraine just enough to hold the Russians off but not enough to push the Russians out.

Of the three possibilities, Russia wins, Frozen war, Ukraine wins, "Frozen war" appears to me to be the ultimate amoral ending, but that describes Biden's party to a "T", doesn't it?

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Which Ukraine are we talking about? The one that elected Yanukovych? The one that elected that guy who played the piano with his John Hancock on a soft line approach, dare I say a peace platform with Russia? The one that shelled their "supposedly" own citizens in the Donbas for 8 years? Or maybe the run by Vicky?

This is pretty simple "real politics" at this point. If I was Putin, I wouldn't trust NATO. I would grab Odesssa, Kharkhov and a bunch of other oblasts all the way up to Kiev. I'd make sure whatever NATO wants to admit is a rump disaster. The Poles will be thrilled with the grain trade from whatever is left. I'd then sit back and laugh as I slowly built alternatives to the GX trade blocks. Someday I'd dethrone the dollar with my BRICS friends and the southern hemisphere that look North and see a drunken sailor with 60 trillion in inflated away Tbills on the balance sheet.

The neocons (I shudder at using the word, but I have to admit at this point it's true and I would have been described as one myself back in 2003) have played the worst game of poker possible leading up to this. Putin is not the Fuhrer. Russia did not have to be turned into this farcical big bad wolf. Poland and the Fulda Gap are not next on the Kremlin band's world tour. Our nat sec elite did this to us and we are going to be scratching our heads wondering how this all went to shit. Horrendous casualties, a hundred or two hundred billion burned, Russia and China stronger, US weaker. But we had to protect Democracy. FFS. Just the newspeak they throw around should give you a clue.

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