Grifting off of ship repair facilities is much less lucrative than grifting off Ukraine and illegal aliens, and there's all that rust and smelly sea water.
"Formerly the headquarters of Union Iron Works and then Bethlehem Steel, the various buildings were developed between 1885 and 1941 and together form(ed) the most intact industrial complex west of the Mississippi."
Can't have those icky blue collar jobs in San Francisco.
Some US Defense Contractor needs to step up to the Plate NOW and close a deal on the Facility before some mystical magical Holding Company with concealed ownership acquires the property and just "sits on it' denying any use of the Docks. See "Panama Canal" for Example.
Yep. And also on the sir-no-longer-appearing-in-this-film ship repair side thanks to BRAC, there’s Mare Island.
SF itself is pretty hostile, but the rest of the bay was basically happy to have the jobs. It was the politicians in SF and Sacramento and DC, and their land developer donors, that drove the BRAC decision.
There was Todd SY in San Pedro, long closed now, and Vallejo, former Mare Island NSY, at a fraction of what it was, but that was all in a Pre-Clinton World, Unipolar, where the Dollar meant something.
The WWII dry dock, a massive strategic relic, that was in Long Beach, was sold to a South American Buyer, and towed to Equador.
If we can't or don't want to build a dry dock, we can buy our 80 year old dry dock back.
Why all the hue and cry over ship repair? Why not concern from all over $35 trillion debt with interest over $1 trillion per year? Why not concern from Congress or the last 4 CinCs over declining ship numbers and ships that are being decommed with half their useful life left (useful IS a key word therein)? Where is the concern over an org like NAVSEA that once produced the world's best fighting ships and now can't get things to sea like ship that don't rust, don't fail INSURV, don't deploy because they're unsafe, and are outgunned by 4th world banana republics.
All these and many more are 20+ year problems. Finding real estate, navigating the green nude eel on ship repair/chemicals/contaminants/threat to great speckled pygmy trout/having suppliers resurrect plans for reproducing decades old parts/training new workers/and what I called Dirty Feet when I was a MO (Do It Right The First Time) make me cynical that we will ever see a robust, war-ready ship repair capability ever again. As Mr McGuire would say to Ben in today's "The Graduate"- "I want to tell you one word, just one word. Ben, are you listening? DRONES!".
Here is a good pre and post BRAC minute detail on navy dry docks. Its evolved some since the 2001 document but not much. THe big one in Norfolk being extended for bulbous bows for instance.
After: SOB! It looks like they pulled the link from the net? Anyone see the link or have a copy? I guess one can derive it from the first doc. I've got my own spreadsheet on it but I have lots of random notes on it.
Ran into the Coast Guard Facilities along the way:
Time for a reckoning.
Penny wise and pound foolish. Describes our current society to a t.
On one hand, San Francisco and environs are practically hostile territory to the DoD.
On the other hand, can we move a floating dry-dock down to San Diego for the Navy?
And on the gripping hand, if we were subsidizing ship building and maintenance, we wouldn’t have this problem.
I can't understand why they shut down Hunters Point Naval Shipyard. If I recall correctly wasn't there a shipyard in San Pedro or Long Beach?
Sounds like a severe case of Romney vulture capitalism and Pelosi crony capitalism.
1. Acquire the property and discharge the workers and all obligations.
2. Sell the property to a developer who is in tight with the people who run SF.
Meanwhile the Navy withers away.
Grifting off of ship repair facilities is much less lucrative than grifting off Ukraine and illegal aliens, and there's all that rust and smelly sea water.
We won't just sell them the rope to hang us, we will sell them the factories to make the rope so they can hang ALL of us.
I thought I have an infinite supply of sighs, but surprisingly I’m running low with all this… Sad.
According to the developer?
"Formerly the headquarters of Union Iron Works and then Bethlehem Steel, the various buildings were developed between 1885 and 1941 and together form(ed) the most intact industrial complex west of the Mississippi."
Can't have those icky blue collar jobs in San Francisco.
Some US Defense Contractor needs to step up to the Plate NOW and close a deal on the Facility before some mystical magical Holding Company with concealed ownership acquires the property and just "sits on it' denying any use of the Docks. See "Panama Canal" for Example.
Yep. And also on the sir-no-longer-appearing-in-this-film ship repair side thanks to BRAC, there’s Mare Island.
SF itself is pretty hostile, but the rest of the bay was basically happy to have the jobs. It was the politicians in SF and Sacramento and DC, and their land developer donors, that drove the BRAC decision.
There was Todd SY in San Pedro, long closed now, and Vallejo, former Mare Island NSY, at a fraction of what it was, but that was all in a Pre-Clinton World, Unipolar, where the Dollar meant something.
The WWII dry dock, a massive strategic relic, that was in Long Beach, was sold to a South American Buyer, and towed to Equador.
If we can't or don't want to build a dry dock, we can buy our 80 year old dry dock back.
That would epitomize "Build Back Better"
Why all the hue and cry over ship repair? Why not concern from all over $35 trillion debt with interest over $1 trillion per year? Why not concern from Congress or the last 4 CinCs over declining ship numbers and ships that are being decommed with half their useful life left (useful IS a key word therein)? Where is the concern over an org like NAVSEA that once produced the world's best fighting ships and now can't get things to sea like ship that don't rust, don't fail INSURV, don't deploy because they're unsafe, and are outgunned by 4th world banana republics.
All these and many more are 20+ year problems. Finding real estate, navigating the green nude eel on ship repair/chemicals/contaminants/threat to great speckled pygmy trout/having suppliers resurrect plans for reproducing decades old parts/training new workers/and what I called Dirty Feet when I was a MO (Do It Right The First Time) make me cynical that we will ever see a robust, war-ready ship repair capability ever again. As Mr McGuire would say to Ben in today's "The Graduate"- "I want to tell you one word, just one word. Ben, are you listening? DRONES!".
Snarc Off.
where’s fat leonard when ya need him?
Quite. Also, hey boss, you have a repeat in that cut and paste that makes it confusing to read.
Here is a good pre and post BRAC minute detail on navy dry docks. Its evolved some since the 2001 document but not much. THe big one in Norfolk being extended for bulbous bows for instance.
Before:
https://chet-aero.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/1029_3.pdf
After: SOB! It looks like they pulled the link from the net? Anyone see the link or have a copy? I guess one can derive it from the first doc. I've got my own spreadsheet on it but I have lots of random notes on it.
Ran into the Coast Guard Facilities along the way:
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/OCFO/United%20States%20Coast%20Guard%20%28USCG%29%20-%20Coast%20Guard%20Yard%20Dry-dock%20Facilities%20and%20Industrial%20Equipment.pdf
If we ever get into a protracted naval war, we are going to be in trouble.
It's not just the naval infrastructure that's falling apart, it's everything from electrical generation to roads, to ports, to airports.