The big 'tell' was the remark that they needed to put the photos back into the promotion packets because since removing them, they weren't making enough POC picks
The social reformers have always used the military to push whatever agenda was becoming popular at the time (i.e., whatever would gain the motes money and votes). This time, we simply have the Klan wearing different robes.
My first ship - USS Francis Marion APA-249 - was illegally racially segregated when I reported to her - along with a Black Radioman. I truly was a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, which nominally meant I could go anywhere and do anything under the (unstated) "rules" - including crossing "the color line" - which was the main deck. The problem was that the Radioman had to cross that line to get to the Radio room. The "solution" was to get him to ask for a transfer (which would be approved, of course). Failing that, charge him with a crime and force him to work somewhere else - like the engine room (because "black guys are African and like it down in those hot spaces"). Except, to get him to ask for a transfer, or to get him convicted of a charge, he needed to be isolated. Turns out not to cooperate with "the way things are" made me "a traitor to the White race" - which was worse. Because to get away with non-cooperation threatened the de facto system. The "system" turned on us both - threatened us with death - but collapsed when we declared "you can kill us, but you cannot force us to cooperate with what is illegal - we swore to defend the Constitution from all enemies - foreign or domestic - you are just domestic enemies." We meant it - my father taught "you cannot fight city hall and win" - so I expected to die. But leading has nothing to do with your rank or position. You lead most of all by the example you set.
One of my neighbors was a Black enlisted man in USN at the same time, on land rather than at sea. His experience was comparable. Today he and I live in the most diverse city in the USA (and possibly the world). We have no majority population in any zip code. As a result, we have the highest rate of cross-cultural marriage in the USA. We have the highest rate of promotion of women and minorities in both government and in private businesses. Most churches are mixed - a sea change from "the most segregated hour in America is 11 am Sunday morning." I am active in Black, white, Asian and Hispanic communities, as a Gospel singer. I don't actually believe that most people know all of their ethnic heritage, or that anyone at all isn't of somewhat mixed ancestry. So long as you don't rub my nose in it, I don't care what you do in the bedroom - or with whom? I just don't want to hear about it in a work situation. I don't tolerate disrespectful language of any sort. Don't run down anyone in my presence. When a Jewish Hospital Corpsman (sort of a super medic in Navy talk) got transferred to my first ship, I escorted him to synagogue when we were in port at Norfolk. The era of segregation was not ideal, and we should not pretend otherwise. Inclusion is progress. To such an extent I assert opposing it is unpatriotic.
I have no military background. Please explain the various designations and how the total statistics work. For example I see 112.5 of Black/African American which I cannot get to computer
Watch how the Secretary of the Navy dissembles when asked about the application of racial criteria at USNA, and if he is ready to quickly cease it if SCOTUS orders it stopped...
Not exactly related...but sorta (because of the invocation of SCIENCE in everything these Really Smart People do)...as he then goes on with an Orwellian take about sea level rise at NOB from the days when his ship berthed there...
Here the Secretary defends his statement about CLIMATE CHANGE! being a top USN priority. He uses the example of seeing how the water level compares against the piers at NOB Norfolk.
If anyone proclaims that apparent observation is caused by CO2 melting the ice caps, then they have no grasp of the ***ACTUAL*** Science at all, and are just blowing smoke up some nethers...
I always believed, and at least hope today, that the Francis Marion case was the last and worst of the example of retention of attitudes from the era of legal segregation in the Navy. I find your experience tends to confirm that may be a correct assessment. However, the experience of a close friend, who served in the same era on land, indicates it was not entirely unique to that one command.
General comments don't apply to everyone universally. Some "white folks" are quite comfortable talking about race. The key is attitude. "Whiteness" is not really about race or ethnicity. Genetic evidence suggests we as a species have managed to acquire genes from several others. I submit most people do not know their actual racial heritage. As well as that it does not matter much. What matters is what they think about their heritage, and about people with a different one.
The big 'tell' was the remark that they needed to put the photos back into the promotion packets because since removing them, they weren't making enough POC picks
the people who care about diversity are the people who know who's gonna get stuck with inadequate, old, unreliable stuff the next time we do a war.
Long ago, I learned that in America we are all equal. But the footnote is that some are more equal than others.
Looks like they "forgot" the numbers for paleface people. A mere oversight, right?
Wonder if they have a breakout for LGBTQ+ vs. straight folks?
Liar Liar White works on fire!🤔😏
Without a caucasian percentage those charts are useless.
(Unless the overall percentages are similar in which case.......)
Interesting that a couple of numbers also exceed 100%.
It would be helpful for those of us not in the know to get a primer on the headings for the rows and columns.
The social reformers have always used the military to push whatever agenda was becoming popular at the time (i.e., whatever would gain the motes money and votes). This time, we simply have the Klan wearing different robes.
My first ship - USS Francis Marion APA-249 - was illegally racially segregated when I reported to her - along with a Black Radioman. I truly was a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, which nominally meant I could go anywhere and do anything under the (unstated) "rules" - including crossing "the color line" - which was the main deck. The problem was that the Radioman had to cross that line to get to the Radio room. The "solution" was to get him to ask for a transfer (which would be approved, of course). Failing that, charge him with a crime and force him to work somewhere else - like the engine room (because "black guys are African and like it down in those hot spaces"). Except, to get him to ask for a transfer, or to get him convicted of a charge, he needed to be isolated. Turns out not to cooperate with "the way things are" made me "a traitor to the White race" - which was worse. Because to get away with non-cooperation threatened the de facto system. The "system" turned on us both - threatened us with death - but collapsed when we declared "you can kill us, but you cannot force us to cooperate with what is illegal - we swore to defend the Constitution from all enemies - foreign or domestic - you are just domestic enemies." We meant it - my father taught "you cannot fight city hall and win" - so I expected to die. But leading has nothing to do with your rank or position. You lead most of all by the example you set.
One of my neighbors was a Black enlisted man in USN at the same time, on land rather than at sea. His experience was comparable. Today he and I live in the most diverse city in the USA (and possibly the world). We have no majority population in any zip code. As a result, we have the highest rate of cross-cultural marriage in the USA. We have the highest rate of promotion of women and minorities in both government and in private businesses. Most churches are mixed - a sea change from "the most segregated hour in America is 11 am Sunday morning." I am active in Black, white, Asian and Hispanic communities, as a Gospel singer. I don't actually believe that most people know all of their ethnic heritage, or that anyone at all isn't of somewhat mixed ancestry. So long as you don't rub my nose in it, I don't care what you do in the bedroom - or with whom? I just don't want to hear about it in a work situation. I don't tolerate disrespectful language of any sort. Don't run down anyone in my presence. When a Jewish Hospital Corpsman (sort of a super medic in Navy talk) got transferred to my first ship, I escorted him to synagogue when we were in port at Norfolk. The era of segregation was not ideal, and we should not pretend otherwise. Inclusion is progress. To such an extent I assert opposing it is unpatriotic.
I have no military background. Please explain the various designations and how the total statistics work. For example I see 112.5 of Black/African American which I cannot get to computer
So, what have the Asians done to apparently be on the s*$/ list?
Gosh, you'd almost think there were quotas!!!
Watch how the Secretary of the Navy dissembles when asked about the application of racial criteria at USNA, and if he is ready to quickly cease it if SCOTUS orders it stopped...
https://www.youtube.com/live/qRQAECm6KD4?feature=share&t=7981
Not exactly related...but sorta (because of the invocation of SCIENCE in everything these Really Smart People do)...as he then goes on with an Orwellian take about sea level rise at NOB from the days when his ship berthed there...
Here the Secretary defends his statement about CLIMATE CHANGE! being a top USN priority. He uses the example of seeing how the water level compares against the piers at NOB Norfolk.
If anyone proclaims that apparent observation is caused by CO2 melting the ice caps, then they have no grasp of the ***ACTUAL*** Science at all, and are just blowing smoke up some nethers...
https://www.youtube.com/live/qRQAECm6KD4?feature=share&t=8201
In reality, it is subsidence that is the issue in Chesapeake Bay...
https://www.usgs.gov/centers/chesapeake-bay-activities/science/new-crowd-sourcing-will-contribute-study-land-subsidence?qt-science_center_objects=0#qt-science_center_objects
So much for "SCIENCE! from the Secretary of the Navy.
I always believed, and at least hope today, that the Francis Marion case was the last and worst of the example of retention of attitudes from the era of legal segregation in the Navy. I find your experience tends to confirm that may be a correct assessment. However, the experience of a close friend, who served in the same era on land, indicates it was not entirely unique to that one command.
General comments don't apply to everyone universally. Some "white folks" are quite comfortable talking about race. The key is attitude. "Whiteness" is not really about race or ethnicity. Genetic evidence suggests we as a species have managed to acquire genes from several others. I submit most people do not know their actual racial heritage. As well as that it does not matter much. What matters is what they think about their heritage, and about people with a different one.