No, but it should be for Americans only. As the oath of citizenship states, in English;
" I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support a…
No, but it should be for Americans only. As the oath of citizenship states, in English;
" I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same"
Nothing in that oath about duality. If someone wants "dual citizenship", I am willing to give them one (1) day per year to celebrate their duality; Irish have St. Patrick's day, Italians have Columbus day, Mexicans have Cinqo de Mayo, Iranians can have Ayatollah day or whatever. That's it. The other 364 days are America day.
Can't really disagree too much with that. Anyone who's an American citizen should have America as their primary loyalty. (BTW, you left out Germans, I guess we get Oktoberfest.)
But as far as immigration is concerned, the system is totally broken. There are millions of people willing to be here temporarily to do jobs that Americans won't do - landscaping, harvesting crops, cleaning peoples homes, & the like. There should be a much larger guest worker program. And people who would like to become Americans because they come from countries with repressive regimes, or even poor countries, and can contribute to the national good in fields like those STEM-related, there should be a pathway to allow them to come & contribute to America & earn citizenship. I myself am a naturalized citizen (although a toddler at the time) originally adopted and brought from Germany. Probably the best thing that ever happened to me. And I repaid the debt in part by serving 12 years in the Army, including 3 yrs in Fulda, FRG (1988-1991) where I had a front row seat for the fall of the USSR & the reunification of Germany. Witnessed history.
I do not believe the "do jobs that Americans won't do" argument. The larger labor force depresses wages.
I do not believe that without massive uneducated immigration we'd all be sitting around in dilapidated houses with overgrown lawns, allowing our yards to return to the wilderness and starving to death because no one will cook our food for us.
Americans have become entitled & decadent. For example: "Felbab-Brown explains that many of the jobs occupied by undocumented workers in the United States are physically demanding jobs that Americans do not want, such as gutting fish or work on farm fields." (https://www.brookings.edu/articles/do-immigrants-steal-jobs-from-american-workers/). The wages that you'd have to pay Americans to do the menial and/or physically demanding jobs that immigrants do would result in huge increases in the costs of those services & products. Americans are addicted to low prices & having to pay $10 for a head of lettuce or $100/day for lawn care would quickly put those goods & services out of reach to a broad swath of the American populace. Additionally, cost increases of that magnitude would further fuel inflationary pressures.
My thought is that despite their dependency, people would actually do these jobs if other people found them necessary, and/or the labor force is starving.
edit, also a lot of these things used to be done by people themselves. When I was a kid only the rich had people to maintain their yards for them, etc.
I agree we've become unconscionably soft, but the only way to fix that is to remove the ability to be so. We're doing that now whether we want to or not, but along the way we've added 10% to our population that do not consider themselves Americans, do not value our Constitution, and have no particular desire to embrace traditional American values of freedom and self-determination.
Perhaps, but with the generous 'safety nets' available to most people, there's no incentive to do any job they can find. Plus it's really hard to job hunt for a good job when you're busy doing a crap job.
Even if your scenario were true, how many additional people do we need to import to fill those jobs? We also already have programs to fill those jobs. The system is NOT broken, it's just that those in charge of the system are incompetent and/or too cowardly to enforce it.
My apologies, but I had to draw the line somewhere. I am actually rather fond of Germany.
" jobs that Americans won't do - landscaping, harvesting crops, cleaning peoples homes, & the like"
Sorry, but that's BS. I spent a good part of my working life doing those jobs, including cleaning a helluva lot of toilets, and the folks working right along side of me were white, native-born, English speaking Americans. I would, incidentally, recommend a TV series(?), "Dirty Jobs", and its creator Mike Rowe, who has a website "mikeroweworks".
It does make a good sound bite, though, and a glib excuse for more-immigration-at-any-cost enthusiasts.
" Is America for white people only?"
No, but it should be for Americans only. As the oath of citizenship states, in English;
" I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same"
Nothing in that oath about duality. If someone wants "dual citizenship", I am willing to give them one (1) day per year to celebrate their duality; Irish have St. Patrick's day, Italians have Columbus day, Mexicans have Cinqo de Mayo, Iranians can have Ayatollah day or whatever. That's it. The other 364 days are America day.
Can't really disagree too much with that. Anyone who's an American citizen should have America as their primary loyalty. (BTW, you left out Germans, I guess we get Oktoberfest.)
But as far as immigration is concerned, the system is totally broken. There are millions of people willing to be here temporarily to do jobs that Americans won't do - landscaping, harvesting crops, cleaning peoples homes, & the like. There should be a much larger guest worker program. And people who would like to become Americans because they come from countries with repressive regimes, or even poor countries, and can contribute to the national good in fields like those STEM-related, there should be a pathway to allow them to come & contribute to America & earn citizenship. I myself am a naturalized citizen (although a toddler at the time) originally adopted and brought from Germany. Probably the best thing that ever happened to me. And I repaid the debt in part by serving 12 years in the Army, including 3 yrs in Fulda, FRG (1988-1991) where I had a front row seat for the fall of the USSR & the reunification of Germany. Witnessed history.
I do not believe the "do jobs that Americans won't do" argument. The larger labor force depresses wages.
I do not believe that without massive uneducated immigration we'd all be sitting around in dilapidated houses with overgrown lawns, allowing our yards to return to the wilderness and starving to death because no one will cook our food for us.
Americans have become entitled & decadent. For example: "Felbab-Brown explains that many of the jobs occupied by undocumented workers in the United States are physically demanding jobs that Americans do not want, such as gutting fish or work on farm fields." (https://www.brookings.edu/articles/do-immigrants-steal-jobs-from-american-workers/). The wages that you'd have to pay Americans to do the menial and/or physically demanding jobs that immigrants do would result in huge increases in the costs of those services & products. Americans are addicted to low prices & having to pay $10 for a head of lettuce or $100/day for lawn care would quickly put those goods & services out of reach to a broad swath of the American populace. Additionally, cost increases of that magnitude would further fuel inflationary pressures.
My thought is that despite their dependency, people would actually do these jobs if other people found them necessary, and/or the labor force is starving.
edit, also a lot of these things used to be done by people themselves. When I was a kid only the rich had people to maintain their yards for them, etc.
I agree we've become unconscionably soft, but the only way to fix that is to remove the ability to be so. We're doing that now whether we want to or not, but along the way we've added 10% to our population that do not consider themselves Americans, do not value our Constitution, and have no particular desire to embrace traditional American values of freedom and self-determination.
Perhaps, but with the generous 'safety nets' available to most people, there's no incentive to do any job they can find. Plus it's really hard to job hunt for a good job when you're busy doing a crap job.
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Even if your scenario were true, how many additional people do we need to import to fill those jobs? We also already have programs to fill those jobs. The system is NOT broken, it's just that those in charge of the system are incompetent and/or too cowardly to enforce it.
" The larger labor force depresses wages. ..."
Racist, xenophobic, greedy, capitalist right-wing extremist!!
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"BTW, you left out Germans,"
My apologies, but I had to draw the line somewhere. I am actually rather fond of Germany.
" jobs that Americans won't do - landscaping, harvesting crops, cleaning peoples homes, & the like"
Sorry, but that's BS. I spent a good part of my working life doing those jobs, including cleaning a helluva lot of toilets, and the folks working right along side of me were white, native-born, English speaking Americans. I would, incidentally, recommend a TV series(?), "Dirty Jobs", and its creator Mike Rowe, who has a website "mikeroweworks".
It does make a good sound bite, though, and a glib excuse for more-immigration-at-any-cost enthusiasts.